Curse

Robin_Anadri · May 21, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

The idea is that if it's taking you too long to sell something and you aren't able to get more stuff because you're stuck selling, your prices are too high. Now is the winter of your discount tent.

.... you win teh intarwebs.

RYCHER969 · May 22, 2007, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Farming is easy..selling is hard..oh well. Been that way forever..welcome to GW. I am lvl 5 treasure hunter and lockpicks aint cheap BUT..steady all...you CAN sell in game. As stated, you are not getting 80k for the "perfect" req 9's anymore. Take 20-30k ..buy 20 picks and move on. Used to be skin + stats= value. But now that u can mod everything its just skins. Is sellin torture..sure. But its all part o the game. If u want money its not good enuff to become a good farmer..u had better learn to be a good seller as well. I sell in game, rarely on guru and jumped 200k in 4 days. Not a single sale was over 40k ( my ONLY char is a mesmer..so very little soloing and no chest runnin). Lots of wts..I am guessing SOMEONE is buying SOME of it.

If you pay 1.5 for a pick and sell the item for 3k you have doubled your money..hint hint ;}~

Adapt and overcome.

Guildmaster Cain · May 22, 2007, 08:17 AM // 08:17

Try to find a RARE Max Damage Tribal Axe with inscription slot. Some people argue they drop, some say they dont. Anyhoe, anything near perfect will still sell like millions, since they are so very rare, even in HM.

And if you are trying to sell stuff, but dont want to spend hours of spamming in the game, just put it on Guru Auctions in 5 minutes time.

Malice Black · May 22, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Selling in LA/Droks means you fail. Spamming means you fail.

You have a friends list, learn how to use that to your advantage. There is the merchant, he buys anything above req10 for gold

Non-max mods are worthless. Even most max mods are not worth selling (+30hp staff head anyone? no I thought not, easy sell 2-3k)

Anything with an extremely common skin should be sold for 1-5k..no matter what req it is (easy money)

Some of you are still living in 2005, that era is done. The poor stay poor and the rich just continue laughing.

Bryant Again · May 22, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Selling in LA/Droks means you fail. Spamming means you fail.

Right, so the trading system fails, like we've stated.

Malice Black · May 22, 2007, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Right, so the trading system fails, like we've stated.

No, the trading system is fine as long as you realize that the 2005 era has come and gone. I had no trouble selling anything. It's all about who you know, who you should be selling, knowing prices, when to drop them, what is worth selling, what should be merched (yes you might have to merch golds!! oh no!!)

In short, selling is fine, the sellers just suck at it. Blunt but true.

KANE OG · May 22, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

In short, selling is fine, the sellers just suck at it. Blunt but true.

You're probably correct, and I started this thread to voice my displeasure at the fact that I HAVE to try and sell to make money. With "loot failing", simply farming for cash doesn't work.

KANE

Orphan Anthem · May 22, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

IMO your just loking for something to whine about. Everything is worth less right? well basicly so you need less gold to get ANYTHING. Back when america was growing 5 cents was worth like a dollar. well this is jsut the reverse. now 1k = 2k get over it

Malice Black · May 22, 2007, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Farming for cash has always sucked IMO

What are you trying to sell/price range?

Clone · May 22, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

In other words we should be establishing a list of clients, going to third party sites to research, and apply economic theory. Is this a video game or a part time job? Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for anyone who's read through Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. But, at some point, you have we have to take a step back and say, "This is a videogame." Macroeconomic theory and client relations are all good to have. I just don't think they should be a prerequisite for playing a video game. Yes, the system works fine if you've got 45 minutes to sit around looking up prices and spamming your goods. But, I don't play this game like a job. I may have only an hour to play. I don't want to spend over half of that selling loot. When even free games like Silkroad have better options for people trying to sell things, Anet is doing itself a disservice by not updating the dinosaur it has in the trade chat.

cebalrai · May 22, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I've spent the last year being a merchant on GW as my primary and preferred style of play. I have had the most fun being a trader in rare items. Buy low, sell high, and chest run. Because of the changes, I've pretty much quit playing GW.

It's not that it's impossible to sell things. As an experienced merchant, I'm pretty good at it and I have a network of collectors who will buy rare items from me. It's not that prices have plummeted, as rares aren't really rare anymore.

It's that merchanting takes three times as long to do what I used to do. It's a total drag. My network of collectors is useless now since everyone has everything they want. And it's much, much less rewarding from a price perspective. Not only does it take three times as long as it used to to sell an item, but the item is only selling for half of what it did before the update.

Merchanting in this game is a grind beyond anything that WoW contains. It's just poor, poor game design. And Anet's notion of making the game more geared to merchanting while not enhancing the already insufficient methods for doing so, is just awful. Stupid even.

So I play WoW with 90% of my time now, and 10% on GW just for the occasional AB or RA. Never thought I'd say this, but WoW has less grind than GW for my playing style.

frickett · May 22, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

wtb auction house!

Seriously, I can understand why people dont want to stand around saying hey, who wants to buy this, instead of playing the game...I wish there was a more streamlined way to sell off the more valuable stuff.

KANE OG · May 22, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

IMO your just loking for something to whine about. Everything is worth less right? well basicly so you need less gold to get ANYTHING. Back when america was growing 5 cents was worth like a dollar. well this is jsut the reverse. now 1k = 2k get over it

Idiot. Armor is not any less to buy, it's the same price if not more due to material prices rising. Think about it.

KANE

cebalrai · May 22, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

No, the trading system is fine as long as you realize that the 2005 era has come and gone. I had no trouble selling anything. It's all about who you know, who you should be selling, knowing prices, when to drop them, what is worth selling, what should be merched (yes you might have to merch golds!! oh no!!)

In short, selling is fine, the sellers just suck at it. Blunt but true.

Sellers suck at it because the game doesn't do anything to help them not suck. Some people aren't very experienced gamers and need a game that will help them get pointed in the right direction. GW just leaves the average player to type a line in the endless flurry of spam. That's poor game design.

Malice Black · May 22, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Clone

In other words we should be establishing a list of clients, going to third party sites to research, and apply economic theory. Is this a video game or a part time job? Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for anyone who's read through Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. But, at some point, you have we have to take a step back and say, "This is a videogame." Macroeconomic theory and client relations are all good to have. I just don't think they should be a prerequisite for playing a video game. Yes, the system works fine if you've got 45 minutes to sit around looking up prices and spamming your goods. But, I don't play this game like a job. I may have only an hour to play. I don't want to spend over half of that selling loot. When even free games like Silkroad have better options for people trying to sell things, Anet is doing itself a disservice by not updating the dinosaur it has in the trade chat.

It's an option that gets overlooked. I doesn't take long to set up a few people to trade with on a regular basis. All you need is a few people with a good influx of cash and the items to supply to them. These people are easy to find, just look out for the next person to waste 500e on a stupid mini-pet..you now have a prime target to off load all the nice over priced crap to.

I know this isn't everyones way of playing but if you really want to sell on the crowded market of today then you need to go alter your perspective slightly, otherwise you will be merching a lot of stuff.

Greed is most peoples downfall. They think just because someone got 100+100e or something that they should waste 3 weeks trying to get that price for it as well. Sell fast and move on, nothing is rare anymore (except no-negs and old skool crystallines).

Vahn Roi · May 22, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Oh no, the weapons market is deflating *GASP*

Jetdoc · May 22, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Sell fast and move on.

Absolutely.

I personally don't have anything to sell in my inventory. Every time something drops, I ask myself "can I get more than 5K for the item in less than 5 minutes?"

If the answer is "no", I merchant it. I can't remember the last time I expert salvaged a prefix/suffix/inscription that I didn't use...they just aren't worth it, except for a select rare few.

Remember - everything is worth something. But your time is generally worth more.

english storm · May 22, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

if i can't get more then 10k for the rare it gets given away, a quick and simple fix with the possibility of helping some one else out

Still a better way to trade would be nice, has anyone tried to sell any non perfect upgrades? No body wants to buy any, even if you ask for 100g lol An upgrade merchant would be a great start.

EternalTempest · May 22, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Due to the rift between the "traders" in the know, vs casual player and lack of trade house/auction house giving traders $$$ advantage at lack of causal players knowledge of the value of things causes me to not even bother with the WTS / WTB at all. If I want something specific, I use guru auction.

I have nothing against WTS/WTB, I use green's as well as npc collector weapons for the majority of my stuff. It's they way I play and the way GW is currently set up I don't bother and frequently have all except Guild and Team chat turned off.

Mike_version2 · May 22, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Did you ever think that....

Be patient and persistent (I know I said this before). Move to different places if you're having no luck, check you're prices too see if there too high etc etc.